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Interview with Mark Bellamy and Sayer Roberts: A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder at Stage West

Posted on by James Hutchison

A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder by Robert L. Freedman and Steven Lutvak at Stage West Calgary is one of the most entertaining and fun shows I’ve seen on a Calgary stage. This production is outstanding, and I guarantee you’ll be delighted and amused and laughing at the exploits of Monty Navarro as he plots and murders his way into high society.

The Tony Award winning A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder tells the story of Monty Navarro whose mother was cast out and disinherited by the D’Ysquith family when she married for love. Monty and his mother are forced to live in poverty as the D’Ysquith family remains unmoved by his mother’s appeals for reconciliation. When Monty’s mother dies and Monty learns the truth of his birth and that he’s eighth in line for an earldom he sets about to avenge his mother’s death and take his rightful place as head of the family.

The book, songs, and music from a Gentleman’s Guide are smart, fun, and witty, but having great source material only works if you have an exceptionally talented cast to pull it off, and director Mark Bellamy’s production has assembled a stellar cast that works seamlessly together. Kate Blackburn as Sibella and Ellen Denny as Phoebe are pitch perfect and hilarious as the women in Monty’s life who tempt him, tease him, and manipulate him based on their own desires and ambitions.  Tyler Murree shows he has a real gift for farce as he portrays every member of the D’Ysquith family with an air of comic pomposity and entitlement.  And Sayer Roberts plays Monty Navarro with all the charm of Cary Grant and the elegance of Fred Astaire making Monty one of the most gracious and likeable rogues you’ll ever meet.

The play is filled with memorable and smart songs including, I Don’t Understand the Poor, Better With a Man, and I Will Marry You as Monty knocks off his relatives one by one on his quest to become the Ninth Earl of Highhurst. Will Monty succeed or will he get caught? Will fate lend a hand? Will he marry Phoebe? Will he always love Sibella? You’ll have to see it in order to find out.

This is easily a five-star production and worthy of two thumbs up. In fact, it’s so good I’m seeing it again, and I’d highly recommend you see it before it closes, because you’ll have a darn good time, and this production won’t be available on demand. Theatre and live performance is the ultimate “here for a limited time” experience.

I sat down with the director of the show Mark Bellamy and actor Sayer Roberts who plays Monty, the Wednesday before the finale of Game of Thrones, to talk with them about the play, musical theatre, and our predictions of who will sit on the Iron Throne.

Mark Bellamy – Director and Musical Staging – A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder at Stage West Calgary

JAMES HUTCHISON

How did you both get involved in the Canadian premiere of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder here at Stage West?

MARK BELLAMY

I’ve loved this show from the minute I’d heard about it. I love the music and I’m a huge fan of this style of musical theatre. There’s a lot of old school techniques that have been put into the writing and the structure of it. So, I learned they were doing it while I was here directing Baskerville last year, and they announced their season, and I was like, “Ah you’re doing Gentleman’s Guide.” And Kira Campbell who’s the Artistic Associate said, “Yeah we’ll get you for Gentleman’s Guide or for this other show, and I’m not sure which one to put you on.” And I was like, “Oh God, please put me on Gentleman’s Guide.” And they did.

Actor Sayer Roberts who plays Monty Navarro in the Stage West Calgary Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

SAYER ROBERTS

I saw it ages ago when they did the performance on the Tony Awards, and for a lot of Canada that was the first time any of us had seen or heard anything about the show. And I remember watching it and asking, “What is this amazing show?”  And then I got a chance to see the show a couple of years later on Broadway, and I instantly knew that this was one show that I would very much like to do. And the fellow doing it too – he wasn’t the original – he was a replacement – but he was incredible, and I thought, “That’s what I aspire to be as a performer.” So, when the audition posting came out that Stage West was doing this I know that myself and almost every other Canadian was, “What? They’re doing this. I have to be a part of it.”

JAMES

The stars aligned.

SAYER

Exactly.

MARK

Yeah, they sure did.

SAYER

So, I went into the audition with a healthy dose of the cynicism that you always have to have as an actor, “This isn’t my show yet. I’m just going to lay down what I can do and show them what I would bring to the role, and if it happens, it happens, and if it doesn’t you move on.” But as soon as I walked into the room and Mark was there and Kira and Konrad Pluta, the musical director, and we started working on material I really felt like Mark gets this show, and I really wanted to work on it. It was a really fun audition, and I just felt good about it regardless of if I got the part or not, and as an actor you have to take that as a win. It doesn’t matter if you get the show or not. That’s not in your control. So, I left the audition going, “That was really fun, and I had a good time, and I feel like I established a good relationship with the people who are in the room and if that gets me the job that remains to be seen.” It was just one of those things where I felt this could work really well.

Ellen Denny as Phoebe D’Ysquith and Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder.

JAMES

Mark, I’m curious about how much you look at the individual and how much you look at the chemistry between the actors when you’re casting a show?

MARK

That’s hugely important to me. I’ve always said that one of my superpowers as a director is that I cast really well. And you don’t just cast the individual roles. You have to cast the rehearsal hall. You have to cast people that are going to work well together and especially in a show like this that has a long run you have to cast people who are going to get along well, and after many years of doing this I have a pretty good sense of who a person is and how they’re going to fit the room. Like Sayer said, so many people were excited to do the show – we had over seven hundred submissions between Toronto, Calgary, and the West Coast, and we saw probably two-hundred of those people either in person or via video because everyone wanted to be in this show. So, I was really fortunate that I got to pick from an incredible pool of talent.

JAMES

Have you ever had that amount of choice before?

MARK

Never.

JAMES

Are you spoiled now?

Kate Blackburn as Sibella, Sayer Roberts as Monty, and Ellen Denny as Phoebe in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

MARK

Yes. (Laughs) I’m really spoiled. Especially after working with these guys because there are some really distinct requirements for this show. You have to have people who have legitimately trained voices. Who can sing without a pop sound and these guys all can – as you’ve heard. Especially Sayer, Kate, and El – that trio of voices has to be so clean and they’re extraordinary. And I can’t actually think of anybody else in Canada I’d want to do this show with other than these people. I’ve been saying this – even before rehearsals started – that I have the best cast in the country, and this will be the cast that you will have to beat from now on.

JAMES

This needs to go on tour.

MARK

I would put this production on any stage in Canada.

JAMES

This is one of my favourite shows I’ve seen at Stage West in the last ten years.

MARK

I think it’s one of the best things I’ve ever seen here. And not that I’m biased because I directed it – but I am. (Laughs) I love the show, and because it was the Canadian premiere we worked really hard, and I was able to get these incredible performers. I was like, “We have to make this good. We can’t compromise anywhere. We have to push and push and push to make it as good as we possibly can.”

Elizabeth Stepkowski-Taran as Miss Shingle and Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

JAMES

I’ve been telling people about it and saying you’re going to like it – young or old you’re going to like this show. What do you think are the elements in this play that make it work so well?

MARK

I think there is something about a charming villain that we love. He’s like the antihero. But he is supremely charming, and we root for him. It helps that all of the people he offs, for the most part, have a slightly despicable edge to them or are deserving of their deaths in some way. But I think we love to see someone who’s an underdog and a bit of an outsider succeed in spite of all the odds, and it satisfies that part of our soul that goes, “I know he should get caught but he’s not going to and that’s so great!”

SAYER

The writing is why it appeals to me. It’s the book and the lyrics and the melodies. And it’s like a mixture of Oscar Wilde and Noel Coward and Noises Off and the classic British farce and Gilbert and Sullivan. It’s just such a perfect marriage of all of the mediums coming together to create such an exquisitely written piece. And I think, just like Mark was saying, the antihero charmingness – the fun farce side of it – he’s murdering people and yet this is fun, and there’s the underdog story, and it’s all bouncy and light from the beginning. It’s an entertaining show.

MARK

And there’s a lot of great humour in it. So, there’s that aspect and also the aspect that we have one actor, Tyler Murree, playing all of the D’Ysquith family. That’s a fun little tour de force. And it plays into that theatrical convention, and it gives the audience a bit of that, “Oh we know what’s going on. We’re in on the joke.”

Tyler Muree as Lord Adalbert D’Ysquith and Katherine Fadum as Lady Eugenia D’Ysquith in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

SAYER

As if the show isn’t funny enough already it just bumps it up so much more once the audience starts to catch on that that’s the same guy…

JAMES

…and he’s playing all the parts…

MARK

…and it’s really clever, and it starts out really slowly, and as you escalate towards the end of act one you just suddenly start to rip through these people. Like literally in scene eleven – which is the ultimate finale of act one – there are four times where he changes characters and comes in and out.

JAMES

Well, on a show like this just how vital is that backstage crew for you?

SAYER

This show would not be possible without a dynamite costume crew and running crew.

MARK

There are two crew members who are dedicated to doing nothing but changing Tyler Murree into all the D’Ysquiths. And all of those costumes had to be constructed.

SAYER

So, he might be wearing a full suit, but it’s all connected with a zipper in the back.

MARK

So, shirt, tie, vest, jacket it’s all one thing.

JAMES

One piece that he can step into and out of.

MARK

Because for some of his costume changes he’s literally got fifteen seconds.

JAMES

That’s part of the magic for the audience. Didn’t he just leave and then he comes back.

MARK

I think we’re so good at it that sometimes people don’t realize what just happened, because it’s so seamless and he’s coming out so calmly that sometimes you don’t realize he’s just made an immense costume change.

Tyler Muree as Lady Hyacinth with her entourage in the Stage West Theatre production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

JAMES

So, in terms of the production, how do the costumes and the set add to the overall experience of seeing the play.

SAYER

Well for me as an actor whenever I put on a costume it instantly amps up by twenty percent whatever the character was before in rehearsal and that’s particularly true when you’re doing period dramas. Costumes give you the aesthetic, and it definitely adds to the British sensibility of the show, and it changes how you move, how you sit, how you stand. I know for the women wearing those kinds of dresses and with their trains behind them it completely changes things for them. I didn’t have to deal with that as much because I simply wear high waisted suspender pants which I could live the rest of my life in very comfortably. (Laughs) And Monty goes from poor to slowly getting richer and the changing of the jackets really helped with that. That’s a real juxtaposition from starting with a rather old well-loved jacket that literally has pockets that are falling apart to ultimately finishing in a tux.

Tyler Murree as Lord Adalbert D’Ysquith Katherine Fadum as Lady Eugenia D’Ysquith, Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro, and Ellen Denny as Phoebe D’Ysquith in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

MARK

I think the set and the costumes are so vital to this show which was another challenge for Stage West because we need these Edwardian costumes, and that’s not something Stage West has a ton of sitting in their storage room, because they don’t do a lot of shows like this. So, a lot of this had to be created. Leslie Robison-Greene who is our costume designer is a genius. It was just incredible what she came with, what she was able to construct while she was here, and what she was able to adapt.

JAMES

Are there any particular songs that you just love and why?

MARK

I’ve Decided to Marry You, I think, is the pinnacle of the show.

JAMES

Is that the one with the two doors where he has Sibella in one room and Phoebe in the other room and he’s trying to keep them apart?

SAYER

Yes. I think with the exception of the bench scene from Carousel between Billy and Julie there’s no better example of musical theatre than the doors. I shouldn’t say of any musical theatre because there are lots of different genres but going for musical comedy there’s nothing better than that door scene.

MARK

It so hits the peak of the farce that the show is and that kind of encapsulates the whole thing. I think one of the things that’s beautiful about the music is that even though it echoes the British Music Hall and it echoes Gilbert and Sullivan it does it in such a way that it’s a homage that doesn’t copy it, and it doesn’t feel antiquated.

SAYER

It’s accessible.

MARK

It’s accessible and very modern and every single song carries the story forward and that to me is the hallmark of a really good musical.

Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro and Kate Blackburn as Sibella Hallward in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

JAMES

It reminds me a lot of My Fair Lady.

MARK

Yeah.

SAYER

It’s very Lerner and Loewe.

JAMES

I Don’t Understand the Poor really reminds me of…

SAYER

Why Can’t the English

JAMES

Yes, but it feels fresh and original.

MARK

I’m a huge fan of the Golden Age Musicals of the late fifties to mid-sixties, and this really does echo back to that era when all the great American musicals were being produced.

Ellen Denny as Phoebe D’Ysquith and Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

JAMES

So, what is it about musical theatre that adds to a theatrical experience? What does the music bring?

SAYER

Well, there’s an old saying, or a piece of wisdom, or whatever you want to call it, that says, “When you have something to express you speak it. If you can’t speak it – you sing it. If you can’t sing it – you dance it.” And the progression of that so perfectly encapsulates what musical theatre is. And in good musical theatre there is a reason the character is singing. I love speaking Shakespeare. I love speaking monologues and straight plays, but there is nothing quite as deep as you can get into, in my experience, as you can in musical theatre when you sing words that are accompanied with some kind of soaring melody that is an expression of the turmoil or the joy or whatever is going on inside the character. Scientifically music evokes a different part of our brain so the audience tunes into it on a different level. So when you mix the emotion that you can gain from poetry and the emotion you can get from a piece of orchestral music and you put that together that’s double the amount of emotion you could have alone by itself. 

MARK

Music is visceral. It just is. It affects you in a different place, and I think it carries emotion in a way that a scene – I mean not that scenes can’t – but it just heightens everything, right? Which is what I think that saying is about. As you continue to heighten and heighten and heighten – the song heightens the scene and the dance heightens the song. And I think it’s thrilling to watch, and I think it’s also thrilling to watch really talented performers who can sing the way that these guys sing, and when you hear these voices it’s stunning, and it’s beautiful. So, I think that’s part of it because I started my career as a performer doing musicals, so they hold a special place in my heart because I think you can move an audience in a way with a musical that you can’t with a straight play.

Sayer Roberts as Monty Navarro in the Stage West Theatre Production of A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder.

JAMES

Well speaking of moving an audience, why should an audience come see this show?

SAYER

I think it’s probably because they’ve never seen a show like this before. And if you like British Farce, if you like musicals, if you like comedy and drama – you’ll like this.

MARK

It’s got a bit of everything. And I think it’s probably one of the most entertaining evenings you’ll spend in a theatre for a very long time. It’s ridiculously fun. It’s ridiculously entertaining.

JAMES

Okay, quick question for both of you – off topic – do either of you watch Game of Thrones?

MARK

Oh, God yes.

SAYER

I haven’t started yet.

MARK

Not any of it?

SAYER

No.

JAMES

I’m interviewing you now, but by the time this gets published the finale will have aired this coming Sunday. So, Mark who do you think is going to end up on the Iron Throne?

MARK

Oh, God.

JAMES

I’ll tell you who I think.

MARK

I don’t know. If you asked me that two weeks ago I would have had a different answer, but now after seeing what just happened…I think it’s going to be Arya.

JAMES

Oh, interesting.

MARK

I think she’s the only one who isn’t conflicted in some way who can actually do it.

JAMES

Interesting choice. My choice is Tyrion in the South, Sansa in the North, and Jon goes back to his direwolf.

MARK

I read a whole article comparing it to Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings and how you know Frodo doesn’t stay – he ends up going to the Gray Havens and that Jon Snow is Frodo and he won’t stay. He wouldn’t be happy on the throne. But that’s an interesting theory – that it splits. That might be it. 

JAMES

Who knows? I’ve been wrong about so much.

MARK

Who saw any of this coming? Who saw that last episode coming? It will be interesting to see what happens. I had this random thought the other day that the only other person it could possibly be is Gendry because he’s actually been legitimized.

JAMES

Oh yeah.

MARK

She made him a Lord. He’s actually been acknowledged as a Baratheon. Spoiler! He’s the last and technically the Baratheons are kind of still on the throne. Anyway…

JAMES

…we shall see.

SAYER

I just love that.

MARK

People are so invested.

SAYER

And it just shows you that people need this stuff in their lives so much so that here we are talking about something fictitious and completely meaningless in the rest of the trajectory of our life and our world and politics and everything and yet it matters so much to us what happens to these characters and that’s why we’re engaged, and that’s why entertainment is not frivolous.

A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder

Book and Lyrics by Robert L. Freedman
Music and Lyrics by Steven Lutvak
Based on the novel by Roy Horniman

CAST

Mark Allan – Ensemble, The Magistrate, Mr. Gorby & others
Alicia Barban – Ensemble, Miss Evangeline Barley & others Understudy for Phoebe D’Ysquith
Kate Blackburn – Sibella Hallward
Emily Dallas – Ensemble, Tour Guide, Pub Owner’s Wife & others Understudy for Sibella Hallward
Ellen Denny – Phoebe D’Ysquith
Katherine Fadum – Ensemble, Lady Eugenia D’Ysquith & others Understudy for Miss Shingle
Sarah Gibbons – Ensemble, Understudy for Female Ensemble roles
Jeremy LaPalme – Ensemble, Understudy for The D’Ysquith Family
Luke Marty – Ensemble, Tom Copley, Dr. Pettibone, Guard & others Understudy for Monty Navarro
Tyler McKinnon – Ensemble, Detective Pinckney, Pub Owner & others
Tyler Murree – The D’Ysquith Family
Sayer Roberts – Monty Navarro
Elizabeth Stepkowski-Tarhan – Miss Shingle

THE BAND

Konrad Pluta – Musical Director/Keyboards
Rob Hutchinson – Bass sub
Jonathan D. Lewis – Violin
Jim Murray – Trumpet sub
Keith O’Rourke – Clarinet
Sean Perrin – Clarinet sub
Jason Valleau – Bass
Andre Wickenheiser – Trumpet

CREATIVE TEAM

Mark Bellamy – Director & Musical Staging
Konrad Pluta – Musical Director
Howard Pechet – Executive Producer
David Fraser – Set Designer
Leslie Robison-Greene – Costume Designer
Norman Macdonald – Wig Designer
Anton de Groot – Lighting Designer
Michael Gesy – Sound Designer/Head of Audio
Shane Ellis – Scenic Artist
Kira Campbell – Production Manager Artistic Associate
Sean D. Ellis – Technical Director
Ashley Rees – Stage Manager
Darcy Foggo – Assistant Stage Manager
Jennifer Yeung – Apprentice Stage Manager
Taisa Chernichko – Dresser
Chris Cooper – Followspot Operator

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Interview with writer, composer, and musical director Joe Slabe: Crossing Swords

Posted on by James Hutchison
Writer, composer, musical director and founding artistic director of Forte Musical Theatre Guild: Joe Slabe

“Music is able to tap right into a visceral emotional reaction that doesn’t require words or which can layer on top of words so there’s a whole other way of communicating that comes into play, because yes there are usually lyrics but the music can lift and elevate those lyrics and actually create a short cut to your emotional core and make you feel things. And when movement and dance get involved that’s a whole other level of expression. It’s really all the arts because theatre involves architecture and colour theory and costume and literature and music and dance and so musical theatre is sort of all the arts in the pursuit of a single vision or message.”

When the boys from St. Mark’s join the girls from St Anne’s to present Cyrano de Bergerac, three friends get more of an education that they bargained for. Love blossoms, jealousies flare, and secrets are revealed that may end their youthful innocence forever as life imitates art in this funny and poignant coming of age story. Winner of five awards for excellence at the New York Musical Festival, Crossing Swords is a backstage musical that shows that sometimes being yourself is the most heroic act of all.

I dropped into the Beddington Theatre Arts Centre, a couple of weeks ago where rehearsals were underway for Crossing Swords, in order to talk with Joe Slabe about musical theatre and the journey his play has taken to reach the stage.

JAMES HUTCHISON

You’re in musical theatre. You’re a composer. Sometimes you’re on stage.

JOE SLABE

Yup.

JAMES

So, I was wondering what kind of music does Joe Slabe listen to when he’s home alone just chillin’?

JOE

I listen to a lot of musicals obviously, because I’m passionate about those, but I like jazz, and I still like classical. I was trained as a classical pianist. So, it depends on my mood. I also still like the pop music of my youth – the pop music of the eighties – and so. if I’m having people over sometimes I’ll just put on that channel on Stingray.

JAMES

Any particular artists? Any particular songs?

JOE

I would say the big popular musical influences on me were the piano-based artists like Billy Joel and Elton John, because you could feel cool as a piano player because they made the piano rock – which was great. And I think every generation discovers the Beatles, and I discovered the Beatles when I was in my teens, and they were a huge influence on me.

JAMES

So, what was the vision behind the creation of the Forte Musical Theatre Guild?

JOE

I was writing these little musicals and I was really interested in the idea of new musical theatre in Calgary because everyone was doing new plays, but no one was doing new musicals. And I was pitching them, and no one would touch them. They said, “No they’re too expensive. You can’t do that.” And then I went well, “Be the change you want to see.” And so, I started the company, and what’s interesting is that within two or three years suddenly everyone was doing new musicals. But that’s okay, we were the first.

Sometimes racy, sometimes sweet, Naughty but Nice! takes a hilarious and slightly risqué look at everyone’s favourite holiday season and promises to leave you with a song in your head and hope in your heart! – Forte Musical Theatre Guild

JAMES

Having your own company gives you more control over the process.

JOE

Yes, you’re not waiting around forever for people to workshop your stuff or whatever. The thing is, I’ve really been trying to work with younger writers too, and that’s why the review shows that we do are so great, because you don’t have to write a whole musical. You can write a song and get a chance to see how it plays in front of an audience. So, in a show like Naughty but Nice or Touch Me – Songs for a (dis)connected Age those were shows structured around a theme where a young writer has a chance to write material for a show, but they didn’t have to write an entire show.

JAMES

I read in an interview you sent me that during your first year of high school you were playing the music for a production of West Side Story.

JOE

Yes.

JAMES

And that really sparked your love for musical theatre, but I’m wondering now, many years later, what do you retain from that young kid who first thought that theatre was special and magical?

JOE

It’s the sense of finding my tribe, I think, this group of people who care about the same things I do. And I feel like musical theatre is a force for good in the world. If you look at the history of musical theatre its always been, sort of, on the leading edge of social justice like, Showboat, which came out in the 1920s and tackled racism head-on or West Side Story where they don’t demonize either group of kids – they just recognize that juvenile delinquency arose out of big social problems, and I think theatre has always been ahead of movies and television in addressing social or hot button issues.

JAMES

Do you think theatre has the ability to respond quicker and to get that work out there?

JOE

And there are fewer filters on the writer and the artists, because in theatre the playwright is the final word. You can’t change a single word without the playwright’s permission. Whereas, in movies the author is the studio, and so they can hire and fire the writer and still own the show, and they can bring someone in to change it. In theatre you can do it faster and there are fewer filters that you have to pass through.

Touch Me – Songs for a (dis)connected Age – Equal parts hilarious and heart wrenching, this modern musical revue impresses with its soaring vocals and refreshingly true depictions of our most private technological transgressions. Winner of three Calgary Critics’ Awards, Touch Me is bound to get you thinking about the connections in your life. Forte Musical Theatre Guild

JAMES

So, what do you think are the unique opportunities for musicals to tell stories?

JOE

It communicates directly with your gut. Music is able to tap right into a visceral emotional reaction that doesn’t require words or which can layer on top of words, so there’s a whole other way of communicating that comes into play, because yes, there are usually lyrics, but the music can lift and elevate those lyrics and actually create a short cut to your emotional core and make you feel things. And when movement and dance get involved that’s a whole other level of expression. It’s really all the arts because theatre involves architecture and colour theory and costume and literature and music and dance and so musical theatre is sort of all the arts in the pursuit of a single vision or message.

Austentatious is a hilarious play within a play musical that follows the Riverdale Amateur Players as they unwittingly butcher Jane Austen’s beloved classic as they present a new adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. Terrible theatre at its absolute comedic best. By Joe Slabe, Matt Board, Kate Galvin, Jane Caplow, and Luisa Hinchliff. Forte Musical Theatre Guild.

JAMES

Well, let’s talk a little bit about Cyrano de Bergerac, because that is your inspiration for your play Crossing Swords, and I’m wondering what is it about the original story – the original play – that appeals to you?

JOE

I’m in awe of it because if it’s done right, and I’ve seen it done well and I’ve seen it done really badly, but if it’s done right, it’s really funny. It’s lushly romantic. There’s sword fighting, and it’s tragic, and it’s heartbreaking, and I can’t think of another play that balances those elements so well. And so, my challenge was to try and write a show that was funny and was romantic and was sad. And when I started writing it-it was going to be a tragedy, but I backed off the tragic element of the show when the Dan Savage, “It Gets Better” campaign happened, and I kind of went, “You know the world doesn’t need another gay coming of age tragedy. The world needs a gay coming of age hero.” But the ending is bittersweet because of the love triangle. No one gets what they want, and they all emerge a little bit bruised but wiser, and the kids are alright in the end.

Katie McMillan as Nicky, Troy Goldthorp as Jeremy, and Adam Forward as David in the Storybook Theatre Forte Musical Guild Production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe.

JAMES

So, how did the idea for Crossing Swords actually begin?

JOE

I was doing my masters in musical composition in London and up until then I was writing mostly comic stuff, and my sense of humour was a little bit dirty and kind of smart-alecky, so a lot of the songs in my book were these smart witty things, and my instructor on the course said, “You know talking to you-you seem like the kind of guy that cries at long distance commercials. You know, I feel like you are a very sentimental person, and yet I don’t see any of that in what you write.” And he challenged me to write something that was from my heart instead of from my head. And I sort of took that on board, and I went well, “I think that’s true,” and I remembered when I was a teacher at St Francis, we had done a production of Cyrano and how much I had loved it. And I’d say Crossing Swords is kind of a summation of all my teaching experience, because I taught stage combat, so there’s stage combat in the show, and I taught with amazing colleagues, and so – the teachers in the play are kind of composites of a bunch of people I worked with that I thought were really fantastic, and the kids are composites of the thousands of kids that I taught and how cool they were, and so – I found myself drawing on all that and the affection that I felt for the characters arose out of the affection for this program I taught and working with these colleagues and with these students, and I think that comes through in the show, because there’s no villain. Like not even the uptight math teacher even. I think we learn a lot about him and grow to like him. I love all of the characters in the show, but there are conflicts that arise.

Cast from the 2012 production of Jeremy de Bergerac now retitled Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe. Nominated for five Betty Mitchell Awards and three Calgary Critics’ Awards. Cast: Adam Schlinker, Tory Doctor, Selina Wong, Roberta Mauer Phillips, Eric Wigston. Forte Musical Theatre Guild

JAMES

Did having such a personal attachment to the material make it an easier show to write or a more difficult show to write?

JOE

It’s one of the few times where I’ve been writing and it really was like taking dictation. A lot of writer’s talk about this experience of suddenly the characters just start talking to them, but it had never happened to me before, and what was really weird was – as I’m typing they were saying things that were surprising me. It’s a freaky experience, because I’d go like, “Oh, really? Are we going there? Holly Crow! Oh my God!” And that’s my inner monologue as I’m typing what the characters are saying. So, that was certainly easy. The other thing was a lot of times when you’re writing comedy you’re never really sure if it’s good until it’s in front of an audience, but as I was writing this show I was pretty sure that it was good, and moreover I actually didn’t care what people thought of it, because I believed that it was good. So, that was a very unique experience for me.

JAMES

So you wrote the first act while you were taking your masters in London in 2005. And then it kind of percolated for about six years while you went off and did a bunch of other stuff, and then you wrote the second act and finished the play for the New York Musical Festival.

JOE

No, I wrote it for here first. And it was called Jeremy de Bergerac, and we did it in the Joyce Dolittle at the Pumphouse Theatre. It was one of those things where I was going to produce a show with Forte and the rights for that show fell through, and then I needed a show, and I kind of went, “Oh, maybe this is the universe saying you should finish this show?” So, I did.

JAMES

So, you produced it in Calgary in 2012 and then at the New York Musical Festival in 2013, and then you had a production in 2016 with The American Theatre Group in New Jersey, and now you have the production here. So, you’ve had multiple directors and performers and several different people all contributing to the development of the musical over a period of many years, and I’m wondering what do you get from all these different collaborators?

JOE

Well, the great thing is when you have actors inhabiting the role they’re really focused on their individual character. When you’re the playwright you’re looking at the big picture, and even as a director you’re looking at the big picture. But an actor is really interested in their character. So you get great notes from actors, and I trust – if an actor is having trouble with a line and if they’re a good actor – chances are there’s a problem with that line. And seeing different actors in a role is really interesting because they make different choices, and it shows you that there’s always more than one way to do things that can be equally effective.

American Theatre Guild Production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe

JAMES

How do you determine which notes are the ones I’m going to take and seriously have a look at, and how do you determine which ones might not be something you need?

JOE

Trusting the source is number one. If you’re working with a director that you respect then their instincts are probably going to be good. I did have an experience when I was in New York at the music festival and the director Igor Golden leaned over to me in rehearsal and he just said, “The scene ends here.” And I said, “Oh yeah, but there’s this really great thing coming up.” And he said, “Yeah, but I think the scenes over.” So I said, “Okay I’m going to take it away and I just want to see – because I’ve got some really great stuff here – and so I’m just going to see if I can move that earlier in the scene and then I’ll bring it in.” And he said, “Okay, we can try it.” So, we tried it the next day, and I went, “Yeah, that sucks.” (Laughs) “You’re right. The scene ends here.”

JAMES

And it did very well at the New York Festival. It won five awards.

JOE

It did. It won for best book of a musical. So, it won for the script, and it also won something called the Theatre for the American Musical Prize which is the show that best exemplifies the American Musical Theatre Tradition of balancing book and song. I thought that was funny because I’m a Canadian.

2013 New York Musical Festival production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe. Crossing Swords won five awards at the festival including the Awards for Excellence in Writing (Book), Direction, Musical Direction, Individual Performance and the Theatre for the American Musical Prize! Cast: Linda Balgord as Miss Daignault, Steve Hauck as Sir, Lyle Colby Mackston as Jeremy, Ali Gordon as Nicky, Marrick Smith as David.

JAMES

So, let’s talk a little bit about your current creative team in this new production coming up. Who have you assembled to bring us the show in 2019 here in Calgary?

JOE

Well, I have Val Pearson directing, and sitting in rehearsal with her is like a master class in acting. She directed the very first version, and she is amazing with young actors, and we have some very young actors on the show. And JP Thibedeau who is, of course, the Artistic Director at Storybook is doing sets and lights for us, and we’re in the Vertigo Studio so that’s great. He’s very familiar with the space.

JAMES

So, you have more options than you had when you presented it at the Pumphouse in 2012.

JOE

Yeah a few more options, although we’re keeping it pretty simple. The nice thing about the show is it doesn’t require a lot of huge production elements because your imagination does a lot of the work, because it’s a memory play and we’re remembering these events that happened, because we get to see the kids as older characters and then they’re remembering this pivotal experience that changed their lives. So, because it’s a memory play we don’t need the entire cast of Cyrano, we just need the three principal characters, because that’s who we remember and these were the important events.

Adam Forward as David, Katie McMillan as Nicky, and Troy Goldthorp as Jeremy in the Storybook Theatre Forte Musical Theatre Guild production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe.

JOE

And I’m really excited about the cast. Katie McMilliam who played young Mary in Mary and Max at Theatre Calgary is in it. She also played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz at Storybook, so it’s great to have her. Adam Forward who won the Broadway World Award for his performance in The Outsiders here at Storybook is in it, and he’s seventeen, and Katie is eighteen, and the characters are supposed to be seventeen. Adam’s still in high school, so it’s fantastic to have these actors. who are the right age, playing these parts. And then Troy Goldthrop is playing Jeremy, and he actually grew up here, and he has a little more experience. He’s been out in Ontario. He was in the Charlotte Town Festival, and he’s come back home, and he’s playing the lead in our show. And then we have Troy Doctor playing Sir who’s a musical theatre veteran here in Calgary, and Shari Wattling is playing Miss. I’ve worked with her a number of times on musicals, and she hasn’t been performing as much lately, because she was working at Theatre Calgary as their literary manager and then as their associate artistic director and then as their acting artistic director.

JAMES

Her plate was full.

JOE

Her plate was a little full, but it’s been great to get her back on the stage.

Shari Wattling as Miss and Tory Doctor as Sir in the Storybook Theatre Forte Musical Theatre Guild Production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe.

JAMES

So, why should Calgary audiences come out and see the show?

JOE

Well, they sing while fencing. They actually have stage choreography that they act out that’s timed to beats in the musical numbers, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before, so I think that’s pretty cool. And also, because it started here, and the level of talent from these Calgary artists is amazing, and because it’s a really timely story. You know, you always think that the battle for understanding for LGBT kids is done. You think, “oh that’s done – surely that’s accomplished” and yet we’re still talking about things that you thought were long settled and weren’t an issue, and they just come back, and so maybe we need an empathy lesson. And that’s what theatre does great. It puts you in the shoes of someone whose experience is different from yours and creates empathy. And that’s not just the gay coming of age story. The play puts you in the shoes of a math teacher who’s very uptight and has very strong opinions about the way the world should be that are quite diametrically opposed to the French drama teacher, and she has her very strong ideas about the way the world should be, and it’s not that they’re wrong – it’s just that they have different opinions, and the strength of this show is that it allows you to understand and sympathize with the other point of view. Which is something sorely lacking right now in our political and social discourse. People are so locked into their silos that they’re not willing to entertain other people’s point of views, and this show is about Jeremy and his best friend having to come to terms with – “You’re not the person I thought you were, and how do I wrap my head around this, and how do I make peace with that when I don’t agree or understand where you’re coming from.” And it’s just we’re human, and our job as humans is to learn how to understand each other.

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Storybook Theatre presents Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe in partnership with Forte Musical Theatre Guild from April 19th to May 4th at the Vertigo Studio Theatre. Evening shows run Tuesday to Saturday at 7:00 pm with Saturday and Sunday matinees at 2:00 pm. There will be a relaxed performance on Friday, April 26th at 7:00 pm. Tickets are just $30.45 for adults and $25.20 for students and are available online at www.storybooktheatre.org

Troy Goldthorp as Jeremy in the Storybook Theatre Forte Musical Guild Production of Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe.

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Crossing Swords by Joe Slabe

CAST

Troy Goldthorp as Jeremy
Katie McMillan as Nicky
Adam Forward as David
Tory Doctor as Sir
Shari Wattling as Miss

PRODUCTION TEAM

Valerie Ann Pearson: Director
Christ Thompson: Assistant Director
Joe Slabe: Musical Director
Jocelyn Hoover Liever: Choreography
Karl Sine: Fight Director
Darcie Howe: Costume Design
Cat Bentley: Hair Design
Allie Higgins Pompu: Make-Up Design
JP Thibodeau: Set/Lighting Design
Emma Know: Props
Jennifer Merio: Marketing
Jody Low: Production Supervisor

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Joe Slabe is a Calgary-based writer, composer and musical director who obtained his Masters Degree in musical theatre composition from Goldsmiths College at the University of London. In 2013, Joe presented his play Crossing Swords at the New York Musical Theatre Festival where it won five NYMF awards including Excellence in Book Writing and the Theatre for the American Musical Prize. Joe also co-wrote the 2007 NYMF hit, Austentatious, which was recently published by Playscripts Inc. and has played London, New York, Philadelphia and Calgary. Other musicals Joe has written include, Maria Rasputin Presents (produced by Forte Musical Theatre Guild and nominated for three 2013 Betty Mitchell Awards including Outstanding New Play) If I Weren’t With You, (presented by Lunchbox Theatre and nominated for a 2013 Calgary Critics’ Award for Outstanding Production of a Musical), Jeremy de Bergerac (re-titled Crossing Swords and nominated for five 2012 Betty Mitchell Awards including Outstanding New Play, Outstanding Composition and Outstanding Production of a Musical) and Twisted (nominated for three 2011 Betty Mitchell Awards including Outstanding Production of a Musical). Joe is also an award-winning musical director having musically directed fourteen shows in Western Canada over the past four years. In that time, he has been recognized with three Betty Mitchell Awards for his work. Joe is the founding artistic director of Forte Musical Theatre Guild and received the 2004 Greg Bond Award for outstanding contributions to musical theatre in Calgary.

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This interview has been edited for length and clarity. Last updated April 19, 2019.